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    Currently undergoing IPL treatment for redness (and dry eye)

    Hello everyone, I have been suffering from dry eyes for over two years now and I found the best treatment that is effective and easy. It's called IPL Intense Pulse Light. I saw my doctor this morning in Beverly Hills and after the treatment was over my eyes were bright white. I have never seen my eyes so white for so long. I almost teared up. Anyway, IPL is a new treatment in the market right now and only a few doctors are fully trained to do this procedure. The cost is quite expensive, however, I feel that its is trully worth the investment towards better health.

    My doctor, Dr. Rolando Toyos is amazing. He trully is knowledgable about what treatment is best for each patient. I have dry eye syndrom as well as MGD and from the first treatment I saw results instantly. It was so cool and the experience was thrilling. He has a few articles published online just search for his name and you should be able to locate his articles. He is a world renowned eye doctor and he trully is amazing. If you have any questions feel free to contact me with any questions.

    I am so happy this treatment works. I have 3 more treatments to go and I am looking forward in seeing more results in the next few months. Take care everyone!

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    Hmmm...

    There are several people on this board who are doing this procedure but their results and feedback has been more circumspect than yours.

    I find it interesting that this is your first and only post to this board and you did it under three separate forum topics. To be honest, I really don't find it interesting, I find it suspicious.

    How is it that you are claiming to be healed after one treatment? I certainly hope that you are indeed a real patient. Otherwise, there are many folks here that would be disappointed. Very disappointed.

    Gretchen

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    I think someone got paid...

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    I am so angry why I am being targeted in the forum about my integrity and legitimacy. The reason why I posted it in the tree different topics was to spread the word. I guess I made a mistake. However, I am here to share my experience and help others and have no negative intentions. I am a 20 year old student and I have way more things to do than to make up stories and waste my time over a forum trying to mess people's heads. I am being completely honest and sincere about my treatment with IPL. I feel so discouraged now given that people question my legitamacy.

    ATTN: REBECCA--- I left you a message Rebecca so feel free to contact me. I have plenty of evidence to prove that I did get the treatment with Dr. Toyos.

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    Thank you for following up, I appreciate it. Definitely wouldn't want anyone hounded off the board wrongly. I'm sorry for any misunderstanding. Haven't checked my voicemail today but if you left a number I'll give you a call.
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    Rebecca -

    Please let us know the verdict : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by abercrombie003 View Post
    I am so angry why I am being targeted in the forum about my integrity and legitimacy. The reason why I posted it in the tree different topics was to spread the word. I guess I made a mistake. However, I am here to share my experience and help others and have no negative intentions. I am a 20 year old student and I have way more things to do than to make up stories and waste my time over a forum trying to mess people's heads. I am being completely honest and sincere about my treatment with IPL. I feel so discouraged now given that people question my legitamacy.

    ATTN: REBECCA--- I left you a message Rebecca so feel free to contact me. I have plenty of evidence to prove that I did get the treatment with Dr. Toyos.
    Don't be angry or defensive, just realize that broadcasting your message in such a way to people dealing and struggling with conditions like the ones we have may not be received the way you intended it to be. If your message is really one of unbridled joy, I'll be thrilled to hear from you in 3 months when you're still doing great.

    But please, continue to post updates on your progress. Are you at 100% after one treatment? Have any symptoms returned? Please post updates after future treatments.

    Realize that we've all been promised that doing "this" or "that" will make it better, but clearly from our presence on this board, that has not been the case.

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    This is a real person who meant well by his post. Sorry we jumped on you, AC. Please do keep us updated.
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    sorry,

    I have read things like that on other boards, people who just meet this great doctor and now they feel so fine, and that is the only thing they wrote.

    let us know how you feel after the treatments.

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    I will keep everyone updated on my progress

    Attn: Rebecca---sorry for not returning your call. I have been so busy with graduation and work.

    It has been been about 4 days now since my visit with Dr. Toyos in Beverly Hills. I guess I was overly excited on my first posting given that several people thought that I was some 'fake' poster or viral marketer. I just want everyone to know that I am real and my story and experience is as authentic as it can be. I am also not being paid to write my experience on here. Sorry in advance if I am not of a good writer but I'll definitely try my best.

    On the other hand, after the first treatment wit the IPL, Dr. Toyo's assistant told me too look at the mirror and see my eyes for the very first time after the IPL. When I looked at myself I was so amazed at the results. As I have mentioned, my main concerns were the redness and bloodshot vessels in my eyes. My eyes before looked as if I was up all night partying or on drugs. It was so red from the day I wake up in the morning to the time I go to sleep. I actually have never seen my eyes so white for over 2 and half years and that's why I was overly excited with joy.

    My experience at Dr. Toyos office in Beverly Hills was amazing. The staff was very patient and very friendly. After filling out a few papers I was called to have my free consulation with Dr. Toyos. After carefully reviewing every regimen and eyedrop I have used in the past he then proceeded to look at my eyes and see what could be done and determine if I was a great candidate for the IPL treatment. After discussing my previous treatments and medications I have used he did state that I was a candidate for the treatment. He said that my skin will also benefit from the treatment since I do have mild acne. I was very excited to try it out since I have been searching for a doctor that will actually do something about as far as utilizing modern technology rather than prescribing me some more medications and eyedrop. Although the cost is quite expensive $375 per treatment. After 20 minutes of waiting in my room he took me to the other room next door to start my treatment. I was sat down on the chair while he placed two white covers or pads to protect my eyes from the light. After that, he used ultra sound gel on the equipment he used on my eyes. The first spot he treated was amazing. It was not painful to the extreme but you can feel the strong heat on your skin. Given that I had sensitive skin, each spot he treatment I jumped. I felt like I was being electricuted slowly but not in a bad way since each time he click on the light on my skin, I would jump. It was so random. I was so comfortable and at ease. His assistant even held my hand for support. This lasted for about 10-15 minutes max. I actually wished he would have did it longer and treated more areas since I was told that IPL was good for the skin. The doctor did explain that using IPL helps liquify the toothpaste looking oils on the eyelid.

    After the IPL, we went back to the examination room and he excreted out the toothpaste looking oils with a q-tip on my lower eyelids. It was not painful at all. This procedure lasted about 5-10 mintures. Then he put some eyedrops on my eyes and after that I was out of the office. I was recommended to change a few things such as, consuming salmon, red grapes, drink plenty of water, avoid the sun, sunscreen, and to stop whatever I was doing before including eye lid scrubs and warm compress. He also put me on lotemax and xibrom. First of all, Xibrom is so expensive if your insurance does not cover it. I paid 200 dollars for a 5ml bottle. My wallet was so dead. LOL.... MY eyes were fine atfter I left. I was even able to drive back home 1 and hald hours away. However the next day my eyes were abit red but not as much as before. The only main changes so far is that my eyes do not feel as dry. They feel much better. I will be seeing Dr. Toyos in July so I will keep everyone updated.

    OVer the past 2 years and a half, I have seen abouit 4 different opthalmogist in which made no difference as far as alleviating my dry eyes/ MGD. I was put on restasis, azasite, eye oinments, alrex, allergy tablets, punctual plugs on four of my ducs. I even went and purchased a humidifier. Over the years I have consistently kept my routine that includes eye lid scrubs twice a day, warm compress, flaxseed, fish oil, etc... As a result, nothing changed for the better. My eyes has continuously been dry, red, irritated and bloodshot.

    In brief, my eye condition started when I was on accutane. In fact, I have veen on 3 courses on accutane which I believe has contributed tremendously with my dry eyes. In addition, taking isotrenenoin (accutane) causes dry eyes. Since I was on it for three years for about 5 months per course I ignored using artificial tears since at the time, my eyes were really bothering me. After taking my last course on accutane, my dry eyes went down hill.

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    Hi abercrombie003

    Living in the UK, we can only look across the pond with envy at what is going on in the US. We are still at the stage where we are battling to have our condition taken seriously.

    Thanks for the posting; let's hope things continue to improve for you. I know this will not work for everyone but the more positive reports we hear, the more we all dare to have hope.

    I could cope with what you refer to as a `dead wallet' if my eyes were better.

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    Hi AC -

    First off, let me say that I am sorry for questioning your authenticity. Your first post sounded suspect to a board veteran like me, but your second is good and gels with what a lot of other folks on here that have gone to Dr Toyos have reported. Plus Rebecca gives you the thumbs up and there is no better endorsement than that...

    Second, welcome! We are glad to hear someone else on here besides Autumnn and Sazy that are going to Dr Toyos. I am sorry to hear about your 2.5 years of problems. Accutane seems to be a common cause/catalyst for MGD on this board. I am glad to hear that Dr Toyos thinks that he can help people with Accutane damaged MGs because I have always understood that Accutane causes MG atrophy.

    Please keep us updated on your treatment and how you are feeling. From the others' reports it seems that Dr Toyos thinks that 4-6 treatments are required for appropriate remission.

    Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by abercrombie003 View Post
    I will keep everyone updated on my progress

    Attn: Rebecca---sorry for not returning your call. I have been so busy with graduation and work.

    It has been been about 4 days now since my visit with Dr. Toyos in Beverly Hills. I guess I was overly excited on my first posting given that several people thought that I was some 'fake' poster or viral marketer. I just want everyone to know that I am real and my story and experience is as authentic as it can be. I am also not being paid to write my experience on here. Sorry in advance if I am not of a good writer but I'll definitely try my best.

    On the other hand, after the first treatment wit the IPL, Dr. Toyo's assistant told me too look at the mirror and see my eyes for the very first time after the IPL. When I looked at myself I was so amazed at the results. As I have mentioned, my main concerns were the redness and bloodshot vessels in my eyes. My eyes before looked as if I was up all night partying or on drugs. It was so red from the day I wake up in the morning to the time I go to sleep. I actually have never seen my eyes so white for over 2 and half years and that's why I was overly excited with joy.

    My experience at Dr. Toyos office in Beverly Hills was amazing. The staff was very patient and very friendly. After filling out a few papers I was called to have my free consulation with Dr. Toyos. After carefully reviewing every regimen and eyedrop I have used in the past he then proceeded to look at my eyes and see what could be done and determine if I was a great candidate for the IPL treatment. After discussing my previous treatments and medications I have used he did state that I was a candidate for the treatment. He said that my skin will also benefit from the treatment since I do have mild acne. I was very excited to try it out since I have been searching for a doctor that will actually do something about as far as utilizing modern technology rather than prescribing me some more medications and eyedrop. Although the cost is quite expensive $375 per treatment. After 20 minutes of waiting in my room he took me to the other room next door to start my treatment. I was sat down on the chair while he placed two white covers or pads to protect my eyes from the light. After that, he used ultra sound gel on the equipment he used on my eyes. The first spot he treated was amazing. It was not painful to the extreme but you can feel the strong heat on your skin. Given that I had sensitive skin, each spot he treatment I jumped. I felt like I was being electricuted slowly but not in a bad way since each time he click on the light on my skin, I would jump. It was so random. I was so comfortable and at ease. His assistant even held my hand for support. This lasted for about 10-15 minutes max. I actually wished he would have did it longer and treated more areas since I was told that IPL was good for the skin. The doctor did explain that using IPL helps liquify the toothpaste looking oils on the eyelid.

    After the IPL, we went back to the examination room and he excreted out the toothpaste looking oils with a q-tip on my lower eyelids. It was not painful at all. This procedure lasted about 5-10 mintures. Then he put some eyedrops on my eyes and after that I was out of the office. I was recommended to change a few things such as, consuming salmon, red grapes, drink plenty of water, avoid the sun, sunscreen, and to stop whatever I was doing before including eye lid scrubs and warm compress. He also put me on lotemax and xibrom. First of all, Xibrom is so expensive if your insurance does not cover it. I paid 200 dollars for a 5ml bottle. My wallet was so dead. LOL.... MY eyes were fine atfter I left. I was even able to drive back home 1 and hald hours away. However the next day my eyes were abit red but not as much as before. The only main changes so far is that my eyes do not feel as dry. They feel much better. I will be seeing Dr. Toyos in July so I will keep everyone updated.

    OVer the past 2 years and a half, I have seen abouit 4 different opthalmogist in which made no difference as far as alleviating my dry eyes/ MGD. I was put on restasis, azasite, eye oinments, alrex, allergy tablets, punctual plugs on four of my ducs. I even went and purchased a humidifier. Over the years I have consistently kept my routine that includes eye lid scrubs twice a day, warm compress, flaxseed, fish oil, etc... As a result, nothing changed for the better. My eyes has continuously been dry, red, irritated and bloodshot.

    In brief, my eye condition started when I was on accutane. In fact, I have veen on 3 courses on accutane which I believe has contributed tremendously with my dry eyes. In addition, taking isotrenenoin (accutane) causes dry eyes. Since I was on it for three years for about 5 months per course I ignored using artificial tears since at the time, my eyes were really bothering me. After taking my last course on accutane, my dry eyes went down hill.
    Excellent post. Thank you for the update... PLEASE keep them coming.

    Good luck in July!

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    Don't feel badly. When I found my "fix" for my eyes I posted it here and had some people who thought I was paid to advertise. I was not. One year later my "fix"has me still comfortable.

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    thank you for believing me. keep everyone posted soon when i see some changes

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    Thank you autumn for backing me up. LOL... Yes I did speak with Autumn this afternoon and she was wonderful to speak with. She is correct, my main concernt is simply the redness or what I like to call bloodshot. As I have said before, from the day I wake up to the time I go to bed my eyes are constantly red, as if I have been on some illegal drugs. In fact, Dr. Toyo's did share with me that one of his patients came to him who worked for FedEx had that exact same problem with the redness, hence, he never was able to get promoted to a higher position given that his eyes were red constantly due to MGD dry eye syndrom. People assumed he wasn;t capable since they believed he was partying all night and wasn't serious with his job, therefore red eyes.

    All I can say is that it has been about a week and a half since my first treatment. I have been using lotemax and xibrom to help with inflammation. I can say that I did notice some changes as far as the dryness in my eyes. They do not feel as dry as before. The redness also has reduced. I am looking forward in having complete my treatments with Dr. Toyos. I believe he has something up on his sleeves and I really believe he can help anyone with dry eyes/MGD. He is an incredible doctor who takes his time during the process. He is patient and very supportive in every step of the treatment. It's money spent well in my opinion.

    My next appointment is in July. July 9th to be exact, but I might try to get in early since autumn did share that one of the staff did receive IPL treatments and had wonderful results. I will keep everyone updated and thank you for the responses. Feel free to message me and I'll try my best to answer any questions. Once again, unlike Autumn and a few others, I do not experience pain in any of my eyes. My eyes are simply dry causing my eyes to be very red and bloodshot. Dr. Toyos described them as toothpaste like which is true since that's how they look when I try to excrete them myself. Until than. goodluck with everyone's treatment and I really believe IPL is very beneficial!




    Quote Originally Posted by autumnn View Post
    Hi All- I spoke with Ambercrombie and he is indeed who he says he is. Also, he is excited about Dr. Toyos. Ambercrombie did see results after his first treatment- esp with red eyes and dryness. I think he is different from Sazy, myself and a few others seeing Dr. Toyos in that he doesnt have unrelenting pain...in fact, pain is not his main issue- reddness is. We are all so different and it will be interesting to see how this treatment does in the long term with complaints of reddness as that is not something I experience. I am still reserving any conclusions about this treatment until later but I am a big fan of IPL and Dr. Toyos so far.....

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    Abercrombie, based on your information to date I am taking the liberty of modifying the title of this thread. It's clearly a work in progress and you've said that redness rather than dryness is your main concern. Therefore, a title in keeping with that will probably be helpful in setting people's expectations for what they're going to read here.
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    Hi Abercrombie -

    Good to hear from you and glad that you are doing well. Had you ever used Xibrom and Lotemax before the IPL treatment? These would reduce redness and help with dryness - you just can't use them long-term so they are not really "treatment" for dry eyes. Or did you start after your treatment with Dr Toyos?

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gretchen View Post
    Hi Abercrombie -

    Good to hear from you and glad that you are doing well. Had you ever used Xibrom and Lotemax before the IPL treatment? These would reduce redness and help with dryness - you just can't use them long-term so they are not really "treatment" for dry eyes. Or did you start after your treatment with Dr Toyos?

    Thanks,
    Gretchen
    hi gretchen,

    dr. toyos did prescribe me a bottle 1ml of lotemax once a day in the morning and 5ml of xibrom that cost me a fortune. LOL. i actually stopped putting the drops as of today. my eyes seem to be much better. not as irrritated as before.

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    Hi Abercrombie,

    That is good news that your eye are doing better. Do your eyes both look and feel better?

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    Great news. I love to hear about folks getting better. Keep us posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TARYN View Post
    Hi Abercrombie,

    That is good news that your eye are doing better. Do your eyes both look and feel better?
    Hi Taryn,

    Yes, my eyes look better. I dont feel as if they are overly dry. I feel a lot better now and I am thrilled how I do not have to worry about warm compress, eye lid scrubs anymore. I really cant wait until my second treatment in july.

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    Since some people are reporting success with IPL, I decided to try forcing myself to get 15 minutes of natural sunlight each day, either by tanning or just walking around outside without any kind of UV protection on my eyes.

    I have found that exposure to natural sunlight DOES improve my condition quite dramatically. And so, it wouldn't surprise me that intense light exposure might also help. Then again, the sun is free....

    I do want everyone to note that I've posted a detailed list of treatment options that have worked for me (and what has not) in the Bleph/MGD forum. I hope that everyone will consider reading it, trying some of my suggestions, and reporting back and what works and what doesn't. Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gretchen View Post
    There are several people on this board who are doing this procedure but their results and feedback has been more circumspect than yours.

    I find it interesting that this is your first and only post to this board and you did it under three separate forum topics. To be honest, I really don't find it interesting, I find it suspicious.

    How is it that you are claiming to be healed after one treatment? I certainly hope that you are indeed a real patient. Otherwise, there are many folks here that would be disappointed. Very disappointed.

    Gretchen

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    Great Success Story

    Hi Abercrombie,

    Thank you for sharing your success story, I found it to be very encouraging. It's great to hear of other procedures that are actually working, as IPL was never mentioned to me as an option.

    I'm not sure if we share similar conditions, but one thing we do have in common is bloodshot eyes which like you is also my main concern. I found that there are a few IPL specialists in my area, so once I learn more about the procedure and whether or not I am a good candidate, I will definitely consider it.

    The price is somewhat steep, but when you start avoiding almost every social encounter because of the appearance of your eyes, this option may be worth its weight in gold.

    Thanks again for sharing, and I wish you the best.

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    Tay -

    IPL is used for treatment of MGD. If you redness is caused by this, it may help.

    This is not just any IPL. You need to go to Dr. Toyos in Memphis or someone trained by him. The kind of IPL's done by derms or salons is not going to help you as they will not go high enough about the lower periorbital bones and given that they don't know what they are doing, you would not want them to.

    Gretchen

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    Is Dr. Toyos doing IPL exclusively in Memphis now? How about his California practice?
    Don't trust any refractive surgeon with YOUR eyes.

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    Hi Lucy -

    Dr Toyos was splitting his time between Memphis and LA. However, he is no longer going to be in LA. I think that he was considering moving to LA, but he has a 5 yo daughter in Memphis and so you know....

    Anyway, Dr Kerry Assil (disclaimer here - he is a huge Lasik guy but so is Toyos) will be doing the procedures in LA from here on out. I have chosen to go to Memphis however to continue my course with Dr Toyos. Call me crazy but I would rather have someone zap my eyelids who has been doing it for 8 years as opposed to someone who has picked it up in the last 2 weeks. Although I am sure that Dr Assil is more than competent, that has just been my choice.

    HTH.
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    Gretchen,

    Have you begun IPL treatment?

    Memphis is much closer to me.....

    Best wishes,
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    Yes. I am two treatments in but will not be posting on this board about it until one month following my fourth treatment. Look for it sometime in October.

    Thanks,
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