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    Eye surface pain or inner eyelid pain?

    I've been regularly using artificial tears (Clinitas Soothe and Clinitas Ultra 3 aka FreshKote) for about a month now, and in addition to the warm compresses and humidifier I just bought, am not doing too badly at present.

    Sometimes though, eye burning pain doesn't seem to be helped much by drops. I'm starting to consider the possibility that I have 2 types of pain:

    - Occular surface pain due to tear film problems,
    - Inner eyelid pain due to inflammation/irritation.

    I'm guessing that in the first case drops help me, but if my inner eyelids get sore drops do little. I've got another post on here asking what colour inner eyelids are supposed to be, but I think my left eye, which gets more pain, has slightly redder inner eyelids than the right (which themselves may be more red than normal).

    As always, I suppose I'm really just posting to share my thoughts and see what anyone else thinks - but here's a key question in my mind:

    Can you tell the different between the surface of your eye hurting, and the inner eyelid hurting?

    My guess is that you can, but that it's often very difficult to tell the difference and these two surfaces touch each other and are very close. This might also be a reason why sometimes it seems to hurt more to keep my eyes closed than open.

    Sorry if I'm rambling :P

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    I also feel pain along the inner eyelids - in fact when i woke up this morning i could feel it. I don't know why this is - maybe bacause my oil glands are clogged up. I am concentrating on steaming, massaging and cleaning the lids morning and evening and then applying drops. I do feel little bit better after the steaming but after an hour or two can feel it dry again along the lower lids.

    I was thinking is the steaming, massaging and cleaning the lids irriating the lower eyelids.. BUT it seems to help the rest of the eye as regards providing moisture.

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    Are your inner lower eyelids very red and covered in blood vessels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marykate View Post
    Are your inner lower eyelids very red and covered in blood vessels?
    No there not like that - they look normal enough.

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    Here are my inner lower eyelids at different times of the day. I'd welcome any opinions or views. Note I've tried to keep lighting levels etc the same to keep the redness consistent but it's always a problem to do that.

    It's not very nice to see one's own eyes come up in google images in all their up close glory, so in the hopes these images won't be indexed, I've added jlg_uk to the URLs which you'd need to manually remove to see them.

    Bed time (last night): Prattstar - links to pictures removed at user's request
    Just woken up - Morning (today): Prattstar - links to pictures removed at user's request
    Office (today): Prattstar - links to pictures removed at user's request

    Unfortunately these pictures make me look like a demented killer - I promise I'm not (well, the killer part anyway).

    Interesting how bad the morning pic looks - and the "sleep" I have which I assume is a reasonably normal amount?

    My left eye (on the right of each image of course) is the one that gets the most sore, and I think the lower inner eyelid get's redder than the right sometimes. You may be able to tell that my margins are normal skin colour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlg_uk View Post
    Here are my inner lower eyelids at different times of the day. I'd welcome any opinions or views. Note I've tried to keep lighting levels etc the same to keep the redness consistent but it's always a problem to do that.

    It's not very nice to see one's own eyes come up in google images in all their up close glory, so in the hopes these images won't be indexed, I've added jlg_uk to the URLs which you'd need to manually remove to see them.

    Bed time (last night): Prattstar - links to pictures removed at user's request
    Just woken up - Morning (today): Prattstar - links to pictures removed at user's request
    Office (today): Prattstar - links to pictures removed at user's request

    Unfortunately these pictures make me look like a demented killer - I promise I'm not (well, the killer part anyway).

    Interesting how bad the morning pic looks - and the "sleep" I have which I assume is a reasonably normal amount?

    My left eye (on the right of each image of course) is the one that gets the most sore, and I think the lower inner eyelid get's redder than the right sometimes. You may be able to tell that my margins are normal skin colour.
    Mine can get red like that after i steam them or when they are irriated under air conditioning but they are usually a normal colour in normal conditions.

    The whites of your eyes look very white - my left eye in particular is full of visible red veins and they look worse when my eyes are red. Do the whites of your eyes go red sometimes too?
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    Mine can get red like that after i steam them or when they are irriated under air conditioning but they are usually a normal colour in normal conditions.

    The whites of your eyes look very white - my left eye in particular is full of visible red veins and they look worse when my eyes are red. Do the whites of your eyes go red sometimes too?
    Well, I'd say the scelera part of my eyes are usually pretty white, although you can see from the just woken up part they go a little red sometimes. I've got better pics of my eye here:

    http://www.dryeyezone.com/talk/showthread.php?t=5321

    Interesting your lids are usually "normal colour" - I'm guessing that isn't the way mine look to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlg_uk View Post
    Well, I'd say the scelera part of my eyes are usually pretty white, although you can see from the just woken up part they go a little red sometimes. I've got better pics of my eye here:

    http://www.dryeyezone.com/talk/showthread.php?t=5321

    Interesting your lids are usually "normal colour" - I'm guessing that isn't the way mine look to you.
    They look pretty red alright but at least the whites look normal. Have you been doing the warm compresses and lid massaging?

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    They look pretty red alright but at least the whites look normal. Have you been doing the warm compresses and lid massaging?
    Yep for about a month - though I've now started to wonder if my problems with my MG are primarily due to the inflammation of my inner eye lids (i.e. reducing the openings of the glands). I'm wondering if the warm compresses just make things worse and perhaps I should be using cool compresses instead to calm any inflammation down.

    I will be raising the issue of my eyelids with my optometrist next Friday though. I'm hoping he'll recognise it as a definite problem (and cause) and recommend some effective treatment. At the moment I'm thinking it's posterior bleph - we'll see.

    Maybe I could ask my Dr for Doxy or something that could help.

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    Is it only since doing the warm compresses that your eye lids have been getting red?

    I find when i steam my eyes they look pretty red afterward.

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    Is it only since doing the warm compresses that your eye lids have been getting red?
    No I don't think so - I think it may be that I've had red lids since the beginning of my eye troubles, but was never sure what colour they were supposed to be.

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    How long have you been having eye problems? Do you have dryness issues too?

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    About 8 months now. Some detail is here
    http://www.dryeyezone.com/talk/showthread.php?t=5321 , but a quick overview is that I had sore eyes, light sensitivity and aching eyes - this could lead to tension in my forehead and headache. Over the months, I think I've figured out the light sensitivity contributes to the ache, which leads to the headache - and these days I'm more tuned into my eyes and can take preventative action earlier - so all in all, I cope better these days before the major eyeache + headache that I used to get meaning I had to go to bed by 8 often.

    I was told I had blocked MGs about a month ago, hence the heat treatment + massage + scrubs. No one has ever looked at my inner lids though. I do get sore eyes when I need to blink much more frequently, and drops help. Sometimes though, it seems to hurt more to blink, and drops don't do much. It's my inner eyelids being inflamed/sensitive I'm theorising are the problem when this happens.

    Then again, I'll probably go and see the knowledgable people and they'll have a quick look and say everything's fine.

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    When i look at my upper lids the lid margin seems to be quite red looking - i have blocked glands too so maybe that whys, i find doing the lid massaging on the upper eye lid harder! I get quite a lot of stinging and buring of my eyes too.

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    When i look at my upper lids the lid margin seems to be quite red looking
    That's where we're different I think - my margins look fine and have normal colour (i.e. the same as the skin on my outer eyelids). But beyond the margins into the inner eyelid (particularly the lower ones) it goes very red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlg_uk View Post
    That's where we're different I think - my margins look fine and have normal colour (i.e. the same as the skin on my outer eyelids). But beyond the margins into the inner eyelid (particularly the lower ones) it goes very red.
    No in my upper eye lid the actually skin (eyelid margin) is a normal colour but just behind the skin (when i pull up the eyelash) its kinda red looking and then the rest of it (towards the back of the eye) is normal colour (kinda hard to describe....). I don't have this in the lower lid. Weird.

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    My eyelids look kind of like yours jlg_uk, but a lot more red, with blood vessels all over them. I also have inner lower eyelid irritation, feeling of dryness, soreness, grittiness, burning, and feel like I have dust in them. My eyes also burn when I close them. I noticed it when my eyes started to feel bad about a year ago. I have MGD and some slight allergies.

    When eyelids are red, it could be due to inflammation and/or allergies. Allergies are always hard to pinpoint, but it might be worth it to get that checked out...although since they cant test everything in the world, your tests might come out all negative. Anything you put on your face can bother your eyelids too. I realized this facial benzoyl peroxide cream I've been using have been making the burning worse after discontinuing for a couple weeks and nothing lessen of the burning, and then burning returning when I picked up using the cream again.

    Also, try and find out of you have ocular rosacea.

    Lately, I seem to have times when my eyes are not as red and even look healthy and light pink and what I think is helping are:
    1. Cool compresses
    2. Restasis (brings down inflammation for people with MGD, not only used for people w/ tear deficiency. This did take 6 months of use though)
    3. Working out everyday
    4. Following an anti-inflammatory guided diet (I say guided because I do not follow it to the tee, just guidelines)
    5. Stopping use of this particular facial cream.
    6. Tobradex when its really bad for 1 week to bring it back down to control.

    Good luck!

    Good luck!

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    Thanks for the advice marykate.

    I'd very much like to pin down exactly what I have and don't have (e.g. ocular rosacea) - hopefully then I can at least try to treat the causes of my problems.

    Sadly with the medical people I see this doesn't seem to be easy to get definitive reliable answers! Still, must continue to try!

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    I've been having the same problem lately, where I recognize there's the eye pain and the eyelid pain and I probably stuff more drops in for the latter because I don't know what else to do! My eyelids are also red right on the bottom inside rim - one is worse than the other. I don't think I have MGD though. I'm really confused too.
    just keep swimming...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanza View Post
    I've been having the same problem lately, where I recognize there's the eye pain and the eyelid pain and I probably stuff more drops in for the latter because I don't know what else to do! My eyelids are also red right on the bottom inside rim - one is worse than the other. I don't think I have MGD though. I'm really confused too.
    Are you sure you don't have MGD - sometimes it is mis-diagonised. I had it for ages before i knew what was wrong.

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    I'm without a doctor at the moment but have only been diagnosed as having bleph and not enough tears. My rims just below the eyelashes, so the inner bit you can still visually see, are clean and look good it's just the insides that are a bit messed up - and really only in one eye. Just read what you put about the upper lids being harder to clean. I only have this with the upper lids. I don't express or anything but I clean them twice a day - or more if I'm not at work.
    just keep swimming...

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    Maybe you should try warm compresses - you can have lids that LOOK clean but you may still have MGD, theres are many different types of bleph, the one i was diagonised with was Meibomianitis.

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    I think you're right, I will see about trying compresses and not just the scrubs.
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