View Full Version : natural beauty vs. make-up
this is to all the women on dry eye zone who can't use make up on their dry eyes to know YOU DONT NEED IT! (diana *hubba hubba* :p )
natural beauty wins in my book. i don't care what anyone thinks, but it's true. i'd rather go out with a chick that never applied any make-up in her life and made my jaw drop than a girl in mascara and eyeliner and lipstick and nail polish etc etc etc. here's why.
1. you KNOW what you're getting.
2. she's ready to go!
girls that don't wear clown masks cut tons of time off getting ready to leave someplace.
3) too much make-up = UGLY
there's a thin line between a little make-up and too much make-up, women cross this line OFTEN.
4) doesn't leave telltale signs!
bottom line: natural beauty ROCKS YER FREAKIN SOCKS OFF!
ahem. thank you.
note: this is also why i don't like tattoos and while i don't mind piercings, would rather the woman were not pierced.
so which do you like better? natural girls or clown-faced girls?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/homes/oogly45.jpg
Goodness sakes, Homes.
You've made us speechless once more. You certainly know how to "push the envelope" with the themes of your posts! It's a wonder Rebecca and Cindy can sleep at night...
(I see you've been "watered down" a bit...) Can't really blame 'em... :rolleyes:
I must admit I truly appreciate what you have to say to us former eye make-up wearers. I assume your post was meant as a pick-me-up for your fellow DEZ ladies and I must thank you for that. You are defintely a fun and thoughtful member of this site. Fortunately you have "nine lives".
The fact that it is impossible for me to wear eye make-up is truly a sore spot with me. I'd always worn it, though understood well that over-doing it was not pretty. I am certain I used just the proper amount, and was proud of large, bright eyes. I actually had the nerve to hate the fact that they were hidden behind glasses.
Now unfortunately, my eyes are no longer a feature worth mentioning. As much as I feel badly about this, I'm usually too consumed with my comfort. I actually feel guilty even THINKING about what my eyes actually look like. I pray for a non-burning, functional day and feel selfish even considering a wish to wear eye make-up. Perhaps some day it will happen, but for now I'll just to hope there really is some natural beauty that you seem so sure is there.
As for all the reasons you appreciate the natural look...
Well, gosh, I couldn't possibly relate to ALL of them. Er, uh, I mean, in your uncensored post...there are certainly plenty of conveniences that go along with spending quality time with a gal who doesn't overdue the makeup. I'd never seen them enumerated before, but your points made good sense - they skipped right over wholesome and moral - but were logical enough.
I will gladly consider all of those points should my life revert back to the days when I was a little more...uh...carefree. Until that time, you can carefully keep us updated on your escapades and this thirty-something will live vicariously through you. I mean, I know you struggle with those dry eyes of yours, but they don't seem to have slowed you down much...
Diana
Rebecca Petris
17-Oct-2005, 09:35
I think Homes temporarily got us confused with the alt.sex.oral newsgroup. :eek:
jcorbett
17-Oct-2005, 10:19
Yep, Homes, you’ve done it again. Do you stay up nights thinking of ways to shake us out of our middle-aged complacency?? As one of the fortunate few :o who happened to see your uncensored post, my jaw was dropping as I was laughing my butt off. It’s a good thing I am quick at minimizing, as my 13 & 14 year olds wanted to know what was so funny.
You certainly put an interesting twist on wearing/not wearing makeup. So much for the telltale signs of lipstick on the collar……I never realized how dangerous these extended wear lipsticks could be! :eek:
However, I would bet that those gorgeous chicks you …er….missed out on WERE wearing makeup. Makeup applied correctly looks very natural and subtle. It really doesn’t have to scream “I am wearing mascara and liner”. But you are correct.....some women just over do it.
I like sports and the great outdoors (one of the reasons for my Lasik) so have always avoided the too-much-makeup look. Doesn't look pretty sweating off your face during a good game of tennis! And I don't do mornings.....getting out of bed is not my favorite thing to do (and not necessarily for reasons you mentioned), but I am not wasting my precious bed time for applying makeup!!
But thanks for trying up uplift us ladies who just wanna feel pretty.....
Lmchelle
17-Oct-2005, 10:39
Darnit! I only saw the censored post! I was too late!!! I guess I'll have to use my "imagination"! Or someone could send me a private message with the REAL version! :)
As far as makeup, I quit wearing it when I found out my then boyfriend now husband didn't like it. I thought...gee....one less thing to do in the morning. I still wear a light powder foundation to cover my "middle-aged" acne...but other than that...that's it. I quit the eye makeup before my lasik and dry eye...so I guess I had nothing to mourn!
-Lori
Unfortunately, I'm one of those people who look really pale and just plain non-descript without some sort of blush, lipstick, and a little bit of eye makeup. I wish I had natural beauty, but I don't. When I discovered that I could tolerate some eye makeup just recently after years of going without, I was ecstatic. I received many compliments, and felt so much better about my appearance. I echo the comments that makeup, when properly applied, can make a big difference in one's appearance.
Did you find that picture of me? Whatsmore, you're in trouble for posting it.
It was taken on one of my worst days.
:D Lucy
Lucy, I didn't picture you as one who overdid the makeup, but I guess if Mimi really is you then you've found your new avatar. :D
Consider me zipped. Just like Homes.
Okay, I can only imagine what all the "zipping" is about between Homes, Lucy and Diana....hmm...
You know I have to voice my opinion to this thread!
Homes, one question for you, do you look at any magazines at all? (No, not Playboy or any of those magazines) but, let's say, People? Do you like all the "natural" beauties like Eva Langoria, Penelope Cruz, Katie Holmes, etc..?
Let me explain how "natural" they are.....They have hours of hair, makeup and lighting before they are even photographed and then their photo is airbrushed to soften the lines, sags and imperfections. The picture you see of them usually looks nothing like they actually look like in person!
That's even after many, many of them have undergone thousands of dollars worth of botox, liposuction, and various other forms of being nipped and tucked.
I live in a city where "natural" beauty is abundant (HA!) and, trust me, if you actually saw some of these people in person, they would scare you. (Trust me, I've seen/met them all!)
As for "regular folks"....even they aren't natural these days. Most women use tinted foundation or sunscreen and some type of mascara & blush before ever even leaving the house. Did you know that rhinoplastic surgery (nose jobs) is the number one surgery performed by doctors worldwide?! That's followed closely by breast surgery. "Natural"...my a--!
Can you tell you hit a sore spot?
As an aging actress it really kills me when men say they love "natural beauty" but then drool over all the celebrities that are more plastic than Barbie ever was!
halfmoonbaygal
19-Oct-2005, 18:31
Yeah, if you're a genetically gifted teenager! My daughter lives in Hollywood and like you, Kyle, she could tell you some stories about how these celebs look in real life! It's discrimination, pure and simple, but hey, I can't fight it so I spend 20 minutes every day putting on stuff to look "natural" and to look like some semblance of how I feel inside (young and gorgeous, of course!).
to add on to all the messages having to do w/ beauty, natural beauty, etc. I want to add my two cents. Being only 18, it really sucks to have messed up eyes and not be able to wear eye makeup when you're surrounded by beautiful people your own age that look like they're out of a magazine. i know i've posted comments on here before myself that have to do w/ being self concious of the way i look and i realize some things i've said in posts in the past. as hard as it is though, this past year I've been REALLY trying to slowly change my way of thinking, and i think everyone else should work at it to.
Beautiful or not, this was how God made us and how he wanted us to be. I hate to say it, but if someone doesn't like you because of the way you look, then they aren't worth being friends anyways. i've met some people at college so far that seem to accept me for the way i am, damaged eyes, no makeup, and all.
there are people a lot worse off than us, too. for some reason i can't help but to think of the movie "mask" w/ cher, which is based on a true story. the boy in that had a horribly disfigured face, but an amazing self esteem and sense of self confidence, which gave him a personality that was attractive to many. and its true- if people who might be considered unattractive act beautiful on the inside, it tends to show outside, too.
besides, even if we could get plastic surgery to fix whatever we're unhappy with, haven't y'all seen those oprah episodes about plastic surgery? Even after their surgery they are still unhappy, because it turns out that its not an external problem that needs fixing, but an internal problem.
i think all of us, including me, need to work on attitude adjustments and realize what is really important. i'm not meaning to sound cliche-ish, or hipocritical, but I just think it's all something we should work on. Natural beauty, beauty, or unattractiveness, whatever we look like, we're stuck in this body. It will continue to fail us as we grow older, whether we want it to or not. Even though we might not be able to change our outside appearance though, we should work on changing the inside.
Amy, you are exactly correct. Homes made the same point from the perspective of a "vivacious" young man. He sure knows how to get us talking, doesn't he?!
oh yes, and i definately meant to say that i agree with homes. sorry i forgot to mention that!
Rebecca Petris
20-Oct-2005, 15:32
Where is he anyway?!
In a corner somewhere sulking about censorship :p
That may be, but he knows well that his original post has been immortalized "underground". His ego is still intact. Actually, maybe he's just busy authoring the next one... :eek:
CarolynYvonne
05-Oct-2006, 16:23
I found this thread, and being my first day here, I did not read the uncensored post by Homes, but I want to thank him and everyone else here for all the encouragement! It takes courage to go 'au natural' but I am considering cutting down to just some subtle lip gloss.
When I went to my eye doc yesterday, I really thought I was going blind! And the gritty sand feeling, film over the eyes, burning, etc. was waking me up at night in uproarious pain.
Any beauty tips anyone wants to share? Maybe by telling what kind of clothing styles you like to wear and what colors you like to wear and a little about your coloring... Anything to make us feel pretty that won't hurt our eyes would be a big boost to me and maybe it would make someone else feel better too, I hope.
Thanks again, Homes. Hearing that attitude about makeup from a guy makes me feel better.
I'm going to start this, if anyone wants to join in...
I have strawberry to auburnish hair, worn long and off my face, no bangs; blue eyes that sometime look greenish or greyish with a little golden flecks; very light, pale, white skin (like Uma Thurman light skin-wish I looked that pretty!) with a pale sprinkling of freckles primarily over the nose. I wear transition lense (darkening) lineless bifocals in a pretty cashmere brown titanium frame (flexible, unbreakable and very comfortable and make the idea of no eye makeup not so scary. I tend to have swelling and dark circles under my eyes sometimes but it is better without makeup.
Enough about me, I would love to hear everyone elses' opinions of what's pretty (without eye makeup, particularly mascara).
Question for Homes; I don't go in for piercings or tatoos either but do have pierced ears, one earring per ear but sometimes like to leave them off too for the sake of comfort. Do you think a women can still be pretty without them, too?
CY
Clothing colors, I could use some help with!
CarolynYvonne
05-Oct-2006, 19:44
to add on to all the messages having to do w/ beauty, natural beauty, etc. I want to add my two cents. Being only 18, it really sucks to have messed up eyes and not be able to wear eye makeup when you're surrounded by beautiful people your own age that look like they're out of a magazine. i know i've posted comments on here before myself that have to do w/ being self concious of the way i look and i realize some things i've said in posts in the past. as hard as it is though, this past year I've been REALLY trying to slowly change my way of thinking, and i think everyone else should work at it to.
Beautiful or not, this was how God made us and how he wanted us to be. I hate to say it, but if someone doesn't like you because of the way you look, then they aren't worth being friends anyways. i've met some people at college so far that seem to accept me for the way i am, damaged eyes, no makeup, and all.
there are people a lot worse off than us, too. for some reason i can't help but to think of the movie "mask" w/ cher, which is based on a true story. the boy in that had a horribly disfigured face, but an amazing self esteem and sense of self confidence, which gave him a personality that was attractive to many. and its true- if people who might be considered unattractive act beautiful on the inside, it tends to show outside, too.
besides, even if we could get plastic surgery to fix whatever we're unhappy with, haven't y'all seen those oprah episodes about plastic surgery? Even after their surgery they are still unhappy, because it turns out that its not an external problem that needs fixing, but an internal problem.
i think all of us, including me, need to work on attitude adjustments and realize what is really important. i'm not meaning to sound cliche-ish, or hipocritical, but I just think it's all something we should work on. Natural beauty, beauty, or unattractiveness, whatever we look like, we're stuck in this body. It will continue to fail us as we grow older, whether we want it to or not. Even though we might not be able to change our outside appearance though, we should work on changing the inside.
Wow, Amy!
You are wise, inspiring and insightful for a person of any age, but it is so refreshing to hear this from someone who is 18.
You are so right, too. You really impressed me and inspired me. And I'm 50.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and you express yourself very well!
Have you ever considered writing? I think you have a gift for it.
CY
Silverlady
05-Oct-2006, 22:32
Honey...with that coloring and those eyes you don't need much. Dust the apples of your cheeks with a little peach or brownish pink blush and top it off with a peach, copper or brown pink lip gloss and you are good to go! If you are able to..curl your eyelashes. That makes them look longer. You may not be able to, I can't.
Colors I'd choose for you would be copper,teal blue,turquoise,brick red, black away from your face, ivory, gold. Stay in the earth shades. Some of the green shades will be right for you. Hold them up to your face and ask a friend before you buy them. It's good to do this with all colors. You will find some that light up your face and others will just look muddy or drab.
The reason I felt I could answer this is because you described my coloring almost to a t. And I'm 60 years old and the same coloring. I'm no expert but I struggled with my coloring for years and finally achieved a look that I got lots of compliments on. But I'm a grandma now
Billye
CarolynYvonne
06-Oct-2006, 09:52
Dear SilverLady (Billye),
You do not have any idea what a blessing your post was to me. I just cut and pasted it in a document and saved it!!! :)
If I may ask, are you the same SilverLady who posts on the long hair message boards? If so, you will know me as "strawberryfine". Hope to hear from you soon!
Carolyn Yvonne
p.s. You sound like a beautiful grandma! Also, I don't have ink in my printer right now so I hand copied your recommendations to take shopping with me. I was really depressed about this yesterday and now I want to go shopping. You really gave me a lift! Thank you!
Ladies, I'd like to add for Carolyn's sake and anyone else reading this that it's common and fun to have your "colors read." This is usually a boutique or perhaps a day spa that would do this. It's not expensive, less so in a store I would think.
Years ago, I had my colors done and didn't have a clue. This "color reading" is not like fortune telling, but as Silverlady describes. It just takes your natural coloring and matches your best colors for clothing, makeup, accessories, etc. You might be a summer, winter, spring or fall color person. I couldn't be ONE particular. I'm a summer with strong winter undertones. LOL. I wanted them to point me in one direction, not spin me. Was fun though.
CarolynYvonne
06-Oct-2006, 14:29
Ladies, I'd like to add for Carolyn's sake and anyone else reading this that it's common and fun to have your "colors read." This is usually a boutique or perhaps a day spa that would do this. It's not expensive, less so in a store I would think.
Years ago, I had my colors done and didn't have a clue. This "color reading" is not like fortune telling, but as Silverlady describes. It just takes your natural coloring and matches your best colors for clothing, makeup, accessories, etc. You might be a summer, winter, spring or fall color person. I couldn't be ONE particular. I'm a summer with strong winter undertones. LOL. I wanted them to point me in one direction, not spin me. Was fun though.
Lucy
That sounds like great fun! I wonder if there are any websites or message boards related to this?
I've had mine done years ago but they couldn't decide if I was an Autumn, a Spring or a Summer but what SilverLady suggested for me sounded perfect. And it got me pointed in a more positive direction.
I'm thinking of also trying one of Avon's heating eyelash curlers. Just a thought....
Carolyn
Silverlady
06-Oct-2006, 17:11
You are welcome, CarolynYvonne, I am glad it felt like it helped you. No, I'm not the same Silverlady on the longhair board. And yes it is fun to have your colors done. A lot of places do this. It helps match the undertones of your skin and your particular shade of hair to different colors.
Personally, I don't think the heated curling iron for eyelashes is a good idea. It wouldn't be in my case anyway, my eyelashes are so dry from the constant liquids and heat packs. They tend to come out and I"d be afraid that the heat would damage them even more. Kinda like your hairdryer drys your hair.
Billye
CarolynYvonne
07-Oct-2006, 11:40
You are welcome, CarolynYvonne, I am glad it felt like it helped you. No, I'm not the same Silverlady on the longhair board. And yes it is fun to have your colors done. A lot of places do this. It helps match the undertones of your skin and your particular shade of hair to different colors.
Personally, I don't think the heated curling iron for eyelashes is a good idea. It wouldn't be in my case anyway, my eyelashes are so dry from the constant liquids and heat packs. They tend to come out and I"d be afraid that the heat would damage them even more. Kinda like your hairdryer drys your hair.
Billye
Billye,
I'm glad you mentioned the heat damage factor to eyelashes. I had not thought of that, but I never blow dry my hair or use heat on it for the same reasons.
I did pick up a regular lash curler yesterday (the Avon store did not have a heated one in stock) and it did make a difference. I also went shopping and got two ivory tops and a deep teal jacket and just generally had a lot of fun color shopping; I took your recommendations with me.
Thanks again,
Carolyn
yeah amy09 comment is indeed very wise...
i fink dat sometimes....i think that...ok we are very young and ill but why not show the world dat we have more inside that they can see....dat ..........why can't we show our happiness and confidence despite our suffering...n mayB people will accept us like we are...and likes us....and loves us....:P....
hey hahah amy09 was born in 23 februray 87...
i was born 24 jan 87 :P
btw
i personally fink that natural beauty is better than anthing else....ok with makeup girls make looks like "more" beautiful SOMETIMES...but , we boys are not dating MAKEUP but we are dating girls!!so its not a big worry!!...
also natural beauty is......exquisite.....we can thus see the girl like they always are....not hidden behind something..
Silverlady
07-Oct-2006, 21:38
CArolynYvonne, it sounds like you had fun. I think your color choice will be wonderful. Spice up one of those ivory tops mixed with your teal jacket by added gold jewelry. Gold around the face of a red head is very flattering. You are going to be a knock-out!!
And Mikastef, you are very wise to be so young. You aren't suppose to be that smart until you get my age ;) But what you said is very profound and is to be desired in anyone of any age. We can all be happy in spite of our misfortunes. It just requires greater effort to recognize the good things first. There that's my sermon for the day. Enough joking, Mikastef there was beauty in what you said.
Billye
CarolynYvonne
10-Oct-2006, 11:26
CArolynYvonne, it sounds like you had fun. I think your color choice will be wonderful. Spice up one of those ivory tops mixed with your teal jacket by added gold jewelry. Gold around the face of a red head is very flattering. You are going to be a knock-out!!
And Mikastef, you are very wise to be so young. You aren't suppose to be that smart until you get my age ;) But what you said is very profound and is to be desired in anyone of any age. We can all be happy in spite of our misfortunes. It just requires greater effort to recognize the good things first. There that's my sermon for the day. Enough joking, Mikastef there was beauty in what you said.
Billye
I have to add an "Amen" to SilverLady's "sermon of the day". What Mikastef said really did exhibit that beauty that comes from wisdom.
And SilverLady,
You just make me feel so good every time you post! You have a very sweet gift of being able to give people a great boost of "feel-goodness-about-themselves"! Thank you. That is a trait of true beauty IN YOU.
I went to church Sunday, my first public outing without eye makeup and felt very comfortable.
I'm pulling out the gold jewelry to play and accessorize what I already have. This has been a wonderful diversion for me; instead of feeling sorry for myself it is making me try to find new ways to enhance my natural coloring instead of relying on eyemakeup. I never would have believed what a relief it could be not to have to wear that stuff. It has ALWAYS bothered my eyes, no matter what kind it was. I actually feel liberated.
Silverlady
10-Oct-2006, 13:20
CarolynYvonne,
You made me cry and your post was my blessing for the day. That is something else that I learned later in life. Every day is a gift and somewhere in that day is a lesson or a blessing.
Thanks for posting.
Love,
Billye
I found this thread, and being my first day here, I did not read the uncensored post by Homes, but I want to thank him and everyone else here for all the encouragement! It takes courage to go 'au natural' but I am considering cutting down to just some subtle lip gloss.
When I went to my eye doc yesterday, I really thought I was going blind! And the gritty sand feeling, film over the eyes, burning, etc. was waking me up at night in uproarious pain.
Any beauty tips anyone wants to share? Maybe by telling what kind of clothing styles you like to wear and what colors you like to wear and a little about your coloring... Anything to make us feel pretty that won't hurt our eyes would be a big boost to me and maybe it would make someone else feel better too, I hope.
Thanks again, Homes. Hearing that attitude about makeup from a guy makes me feel better.
I'm going to start this, if anyone wants to join in...
I have strawberry to auburnish hair, worn long and off my face, no bangs; blue eyes that sometime look greenish or greyish with a little golden flecks; very light, pale, white skin (like Uma Thurman light skin-wish I looked that pretty!) with a pale sprinkling of freckles primarily over the nose. I wear transition lense (darkening) lineless bifocals in a pretty cashmere brown titanium frame (flexible, unbreakable and very comfortable and make the idea of no eye makeup not so scary. I tend to have swelling and dark circles under my eyes sometimes but it is better without makeup.
Enough about me, I would love to hear everyone elses' opinions of what's pretty (without eye makeup, particularly mascara).
Question for Homes; I don't go in for piercings or tatoos either but do have pierced ears, one earring per ear but sometimes like to leave them off too for the sake of comfort. Do you think a women can still be pretty without them, too?
CY
Clothing colors, I could use some help with!
I just wanted to mention that I currently use Avon's Washable Waterproof Mascara--the only one my dry eyes will tolerate. It is great--give it a try to see if it might work for you. :)
CarolynYvonne
12-Oct-2006, 12:23
CarolynYvonne,
You made me cry and your post was my blessing for the day. That is something else that I learned later in life. Every day is a gift and somewhere in that day is a lesson or a blessing.
Thanks for posting.
Love,
Billye
Billye,
And you just keep making me feel better... I am hoping that cry may have helped lubricate your eyes a little, too!
Seriously, you are very sweet and kind.
Love,
CarolynYvonne
And thanks to MSPIRK,
Thank you for your suggestion. Does the Avon waterproof not make your eyes feel irritated? I've been struggling for literally decades with every type of mascara I could find, thinking that allergies were the problem. I have been more comfortable without it and am finding some gratification at rethinking my ideas of "beauty"; it has been a good exercise in getting to know myself and in accepting my appearance. I think for now I am going to keep on the self-acceptance route and not take any chances but I will keep this in mind if I decide to try mascara again. Thanks so much for taking the time to post.
Love,
CarolynYvonne
I used to wear glitter around my eyes, eyeshadow, mascara, etc but now that I have MGB I can't wear any at all. My eyes are actually my best feature. They are very big so I can't get around people looking at them. I never wear a stitch of make-up and I have to say I prefer it now. Make-up is so bad for your skin anyway. Even the supposed "natural" stuff. It's a plus that my boyfriend prefers me natural anyway. He thinks make-up is gross.
I must say i,ve really enjoyed this thread - great fun - especially homme's "painted lady" and all the witty comments arising from it.
My sympathies go to the younger women on this site -
I dont think i could have coped as well with the appearance problems of DE, and the lack of eye make up when i was in my 20's or 30,s
It says a lot for the maturity of some of them the way they handle it
You have my admiration !!!
I would consider - even now - and i'm not for giving my age away - that my eyes were my best feature
I never used much eye make up - just eye shadow ,which i cant use now
However - i have found for me ,that wearing fashionable glasses that suit my face have been a Godsend.
They make my eyes look bigger and hide the bags under them and i feel fine while i have them on - Its only when i take them off that people notice i have a problem.( That works for and against me ,'cos people dont believe there is anything wrong with my eyes ,but if i take my specs off they realize.)
Also i think wearing sports goggles is very attractive - I like the sporty image for both women and men
LouisvilleLady
22-Jan-2009, 18:38
I don't know whether it's odd to comment on posts that are years old, but I thought that I'd put in my "two cents" about my own experience. Like many, I was "married" to my makeup - especially for my eyes. Until last March, you wouldn't have caught me anywhere without the full treatment of eye shadow, eyeliner, and mascara. Though not one to overdo it, I still wouldn't skip it as part of my morning routine. Then, when starting to see Dr. Foulks, he said that I couldn't wear any eye makeup until we cleared up the clogged meibomian glands. I could hardly contain the thought! Now, I've finally adjusted and, in fact, enjoy the freedom. What a vain creature I was! On a normal day, when not doing anything special (which is frequently) I happily leave off the liner/mascara/shadow. However, like others, I do the basic foundation, blush, eyebrows, and lipstick. Then, on Sundays, or other special occasions, I go ahead and enjoy the full eye treatment. (Now my eyeshadow is a cream type which I use mainly on the browbone; one makeup artist advised me that if I darkened and shaped my eyebrows more, that would bring out my eyes, in the absence of the other eye makeup.) I'm finally used to myself. In addition I bought really cute, current looking bifocals, with darker frames, which bring out my eyes nicely. Even my young adult daughter said, "Well, Mom, you are (with emphasis) fifty eight! HA.
LouisvilleLady
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